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Friday 17 October 2014

Marseille Is No Longer a European City

Muslim Marseille


The city in the pictures is Marseille, France's second largest city, for many years considered as one of the cleanest, most beautiful cities in the world. See what it looks like now.

In her best-selling book The Force of Reason, the great, pioneer counterjihad writer Oriana Fallaci talked about Marseille as a symbol par excellence of the devastation, ugliness and filth brought by the Muslim invasion of Europe.

Europe, she wrote, is becoming unrecognisable. Marseille is "no longer a French city, it is a Maghrebin city".

Muslims pray in the streets of Marseille


Arabic ​is the first language spoken in Marseille, and French only the second.

95% of the students in the city's Collège Edgar Quinet are now Muslims.

No wonder Gaddafi once said in a speech that there was no need to invade Europe because in 20 years Europe would be Muslim.

Europe, with its political fear, spiritual decadence and weakness, and obsequiousness towards Islam, is the first battleground for Muslims in their quest to conquer and subjugate the world.

Ethnic Marseille


32 comments:

  1. "The term 'Moderate Islam' is ugly and offensive. There is no moderate Islam. Islam is Islam," according to Turkish PM.

    French and British society must learn to respect and tolerate those who are different. God has created diverse human beings to live in this tiny global village of one family. Creation by its very nature is diverse with different species, different communities, different cultures and languages. These differences represent the beauty and wonder but diversity is sometimes not fully appreciated, resulting in all sorts of clashes. The British society and Establishment must learn to respect and accommodate others, as if in a family. A report by the Institute for Community Cohesion found that native parents were deserting some schools after finding their children outnumbered by pupils from ethnic minorities. Schools in parts of England are becoming increasingly segregated. The study focused on 13 local authorities. Many of the schools and colleges are segregated and this was generally worsening over recent years. This is RACISM because British society is the home of institutional racism. A study by Bristol University reveals that a high level of racial segregation in Oldham schools and tension between communities resulted in recent riots in 2001. The solution is that those schools where Muslim children are majority may be designated as Muslim community schools. The native parents do not want their children to be educated along with migrant children. As soon as they find that the number of other children is on the increase, they remove their children to those schools where native children are in majority.

    During colonial days, French and British did not follow local customs or culture. They didn't exactly "go native". They even forced the Native Americans and native Australian to adopt all the evils of their culture and customs. They are still the underdogs of American and Australian societies. At least Australian Prime Minister apologised to the natives for their evil deeds. Brits living in Spain and France don't even bother learning the language of the new adopted country. Frankly suggesting that people don't want to become "British" they should move elsewhere is extremely irritating. Immigrants are in UK because they are needed, it was never an act of charity. Without migration, British economy and society will bleed to death. British culture and customs will undoubtedly change as it has for millennium due to immigration. I am not quite sure why Brits would be worried about that.
    IA
    London School of Islamics Trust
    http://www.londonschoolofislamics.org.uk

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    1. I was kidnapped by a Muslim in one of your Middle Eastern countries....while respecting the culture. My sister was raped by a Muslim man, in my country. Sorry, I have no respect for your religion...it swallow everything in its path and leaves destruction.

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    2. "There is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live."– Sir Winston Churchill, 1899. History

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    3. Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck your cult of death, rape and pedophilia

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    4. It is easy to say" Go back to where you came from", but do not forget that British Muslims are actually born and educated here. They are in the unenviable position of trying to combine two different worlds. That is no easy. We do not want to change you lot but we would like to see our children getting balanced Islamic education along with National Curriculum. We would like our children to learn and be well versed in standard English to follow the National Curriculum and go for higher studies and research to serve humanity. At the same time we would like our children to learn and be well versed in Arabic, Urdu and other community languages to keep in touch with their cultural roots and enjoy the beauty of their literature and poetry. A Muslim is a citizen of this tiny global village.Bilingualism is an asset but British schooling regards it as a problem.

      We live in a shrunken world and millions of people are on the move; one of our biggest challenges is how we learn to live in proximity to difference – different skin colours, different beliefs and different way of life. According to a study by COMPASS, Muslims born and educated were given the impression of outsiders. The perception among Muslims is that they are unwelcome in Britain is undermining efforts to help them integrate into wider society.

      It is often quoted by the Western media that Muslim schools ghettoizes the children, and even lead to their radicalisation if they are not integrated. There is no evidence that faith schools lead to a “ghettoized education system.

      A report by the Institute for Community Cohesion found that native parents were deserting some schools after finding their children out numbered by pupils from ethnic minorities. Schools in parts of England are becoming increasingly segregated. The study focused on 13 local authorities. Many of the schools and colleges are segregated and this was generally worsening over recent years. This is RACISM because British society is the home of institutional racism.
      IA
      http://www.londonschoolofislamics.org.uk

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    5. highly skilled immigrants may be required from time to time however the type of citizen produced by following the Islamic trilogy is a seventh century retrograde animal and is not required in an advanced civilization like the West. Between 1945-46 15 million Germans were ethnically cleansed from Eastern and Central Europe - when the cost of removing islam is less than the cost of keeping a special parasite class unknown in human history - they will be removed! White people and by extension the British are not racist. Europeans have accepted mass immigration, the democratically elected leader of the West is black and an islamist and whites miscegnate more than any other racial group, Islam is a racist ideology as it subjugates everyone who is not muslim. This century islam will be ideologically destroyed!

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    6. Islam
      Islam is a threat to the West not because it has veiled women running around with concealed bombs, but because it takes women (and as an indirect result, men) out of this lucrative cycle of western psychological exploitation. Since she is not buying to attract men (or compete with other women), she no longer needs to buy most things fashion magazines attempt to sell women. Veils, Burqahs and over garments pretty much eliminate the need to buy seasonally—since the design and purpose of the woman’s garment minimize attention and evades fashion. Without the provoked psychosocial frenzy instigated by media advertisements, the sexual tension that underlines the high crime statistics in the West will cease to be a contentious cause of human aggression. In contrast to the West, and in no small part due to the veil, societies like Saudi Arabia have crime rates that are, across the board, the lowest in the world.
      Islam has come for all Muslims on earth,anywhere. It was given to and started from Arabs. But it was meant to be spread out to all humankind. Allah sent the revelations to His Prophet in arabic and convey the message to all humankind through the language and customs the Arabs of that time were using. When I read Quran, I clearly get the messages. I don’t feel like I have to be an Arabic or an American or an African. All the teaching are aplicable to who I am, what culture I belong to.. It tells me the ways to lead my life according to certain laws told by my Lord which are pretty much applicable to every human being on earth. And that is why I consider Isam as universal religion and it is! I don’t get this, why Allah will be forcing a lady living in Norway or Korea or any other part of world to follow what Arabs use to wear in their culture. I believe it only tells us the manners about man and woman interaction and wearing appropriate clothing representing dignity and grace. Now is there anyone deny with this??? This is acceptable in every culture. Vulgarity is considered as bad in every culture. Please value ISLAM. It is the only religion with logic and practicality. Do not associate anything objectionable without reading Quran to Islam. We all will be infront of Allah answerable for our deeds soon.

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    7. Islam is not a just a religion it is an ideology like a communism but far worse... Pedophilia and Necrophilia was practice by the prophet(Messenger of Allah). I don't have the resource whether it is from Koran or hadith or one of the tapsir. Absurd sanitary practices like dipping of the fly(accidentally landed in the water) in the glass of water and drink it instead of throwing it away!!! The reasons for this is the fly has the disease in one of it's wing and the cure is in the other wing. The prophet said that in koran/hadith/tapsir. Just check it in your holy text. Big no no for Islam..

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    8. The radical is the one that saws your head off. The moderate is the one that holds your feet...

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    9. To continue the above: (it is fromhttp://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/Quran-Hate.htm)
       The Quran Says that People of Other Religions
      are to be Violently Punished in This World
      Allah himself fights against the unbelievers (9:30), so why should Muslims not fight in his cause rather than in the cause of evil (4:76)?  About 19% of the Quran is devoted to the violent conquest and subjugation of non-Muslims:
      Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies of Allah and your enemies and others besides, whom ye may not know (8:60)
      Strive hard (Jihad) against the Unbelievers and the Hypocrites, and be firm against them. Their abode is Hell,- an evil refuge indeed.  (66:9, See also 9:73)
      Muslims are to expect a reward in this life as well as the next (4:134), so it makes sense that unbelievers should be punished in this life as well:
      …He whom Allah sendeth astray, for him there is no guide. For them is a penalty in the life of this world, but harder, truly, is the penalty of the Hereafter… (13:33-34)
      There are at least two places in the Quran where the violent death of non-Muslims is referred to as Allah's reward for unbelief (2:191, 9:26), as in "such is the reward for unbelievers."  Verse 3:56,  bluntly states that "those who reject faith" will be "punished with terrible agony in this world" (a vow that Muhammad and his companions personally took it upon themselves to fulfill).
      The Quran tells Muslims that Allah uses them to violently punish others:
      Fight them, Allah will punish them by your hands and bring them to disgrace... (9:14)
      In the end, All beings on heaven and earth will be forced to bow down to Allah, either willingly or by force:
      And unto Allah falleth prostrate whosoever is in the heavens and the earth, willingly or unwillingly (13:15)

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    10. I am a huge proponent of not intervening in Muslim countries. On the condition that you all stay in your countries. Regardless of western foreign policy, you all will continue to immigrate to the west, bringing with you your backwards lifestyle and efforts to implement sharia. I can't wait until we develop a viable fuel source the doesn't require oil. Then, no one will ever care, again, what happens in the backwaters of the world. I have spent a lot of time in Muslim countries and I have no reservations in saying that you have no contribution to make to the rest of the world. We will continue to accept your best and brightest with the condition that they assimilate. As for everyone else, I would leave you in peace to enjoy the filth you choose to live in, while beating your women, and raping your young boys, and an animal from time to time. Allah wills it, so it must be okay.

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    11. Islam is death and destruction

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    12. Below is fraction of what was done to the Australian Aboriginals
      1842
      Settlers poisoned 50 Aboriginal people to death in the Brisbane valley in 1842[63]
      On the outskirts of Kilcoy Station owned by MacKenzie, 30-60 people of the Kabi Kabi died from eating flour laced with strychnine or arsenic.[64]
      1842 Evans Head massacre - the 1842 massacre of 100 Bundjalung Nation tribes-people at Evans Head by Europeans, was variously said to have been in retaliation for the killing of 'a few sheep', or the killing of 'five European men' from the 1842 'Pelican Creek tragedy'. It is also referred to as the 'Goanna Headland massacre'.
      1843 Warrigal Creek massacre, amounting to 100-150 Aboriginal people.[65][66]
      1846 George Smythe's surveying party shot in cold blood from 7 to 9 Aboriginal people, all but one women and children, at Cape Otway.[67]
      1849 By 1849 clashes between Aboriginal people and settlers occurred on the Balonne and Condamine Rivers of Queensland.[68]
      1849 Massacre of Muruwari people at Hospital Creek in retribution for a suspected killing of a white stockman.[68]
      1849 Massacre of Aboriginal people at Butchers Tree near Brewarrina, along the Barwon River, and on the Narran River.[68]
      1849 Avenue Range Station Massacre (Mount Gambier region of South Australia) - at least 9 indigenous BuandigWattatonga clan people allegedly murdered by the station owner James Brown who was subsequently charged with the crime. The case was dropped by the Crown for lack of (European) witnesses.[69] Christina Smith's source from the Wattatonga tribe refers to 11 people killed in this incident by two white men

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    13. According to a survey of 10,000 voters conducted by Opinionway for Le Figaro (not online), 93 percent of French Muslims voted for Francois Hollande in the second round of the French election, La Vie report. France's Muslim population is now 15% of its total and because of remorseless Islamic violence France is now under permanent martial law. A recent European Values survey confirmed that 70% of all all French Muslims wanted sharia law to replace French democracy, 91% of all french Muslims voted for Hollande allowing him to take power at the last election, I'll bet at least the same number voted for Macron this time. The Pew research group believe the Muslim population of France is doubling every 7 years and David Vincent's book "2030: Your Children's Future in Islamic Britain" confirms this. A Kantar Sofres poll one month before the French election showed one in two voters agreed with Le Pen's stance that there are too many immigrants in France while only 22 percent wanted to dump the Euro...voters were willing to vote for a candidate willing to do something about Muslim immigration, they can see for themselves the terrifying spread of banlieu violence enveloping Paris but Le Pen bottled it and decided to focus on the Euro instead. It takes a brave soul to step out of the cultural Marxist pro-immigration media mainstream these days. So the absurd conclusion drawn by this diversity scribbler is that, of course: "The Front National is basically dead". France is careering headlong into an endless Islamic night in lockstep with its expanding Muslim population.

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  2. Islam is not a religion!It's a way to destroy mankind!It's imperative destroy Islam to live in peace.

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  3. what can you say to this BS? Sadly, it's probably what our "leaders" think too.

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  4. "ISLAM is nothing more than a POLITICAL WAR MACHINE ..a MALE CULT that Oppresses Women.. hiding and cloaking itself under "Religion" to further their EVIL Agenda."....(WOKN)

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  5. Islam is the Solution for our racial problems
    Racism is evil. It divides us. Through it, hatred, conflict and tyranny ensue and from that emerges untold suffering. Yet the racist cannot see it. This is because for them others are not truly human in the same way that they are. This is because racism is the belief that one is superior and better purely by virtue of their race or the colour of one’s skin, or ethnic origin. It is the idea that only my race and only my group of people are truly human. Everyone else is inferior. Everyone else is other. Furthermore, it is the idea that the qualities of goodness and being right reside with one’s people and no one else is truly capable of it!

    Racism is a normal, natural and almost universal human condition. It is almost impossible to root out. Even if it is defeated in one form it almost as quickly manifests itself in another.

    An example in front of our eyes is how anti-Semitism, which used to be rampant throughout Europe for centuries, has now transformed itself into Islamophobia. The horrors of the Holocaust quite rightly ensured Europeans would never look at anti-Semitism in the same way again but that same bigotry has only transformed itself into another manifestation. What was formerly hatred, fear and loathing of Jews has now become hatred, fear and loathing of Muslims. It is the same mutated virus, the same disease, in a different form.

    Europeans, it seems, need to have someone to hate and despise. In England, the Jews, Italians, Germans, Irish, Afro-Caribbean and Pakistanis, and now the Polish have all had their turn at being the kicking end of xenophobia and racism.

    Through such a belief, attacking, enslaving and occupying other people’s land and taking their property becomes not only acceptable but in fact a moral imperative!

    European imperialism was in no small means an extension of this.

    There have of course been attempts throughout history to overcome this debilitating human condition.

    Islam seems to have a much better track record when it comes to racism.

    “No other society has such a record of success in uniting in an equality of status, of opportunity, and of endeavour so many and so varied races of mankind. The great Muslim communities of Africa, India and Indonesia, perhaps also the small community in Japan, show that Islam has still the power to reconcile apparently irreconcilable elements of race and tradition. If ever the opposition of the great societies of the East and West is to be replaced by cooperation, the mediation of Islam is an indispensable condition. In its hands lies very largely the solution of the problem with which Europe is faced in its relation with East. If they unite, the hope of a peaceful issue is immeasurably enhanced. But if Europe, by rejecting the cooperation of Islam, throws it into the arms of its rivals, the issue can only be disastrous for both.” [13]

    By Abdurraheem Green – Chairman, iERA

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  6. You're going to soon see the backlash that Islam and Muslims have well earned.

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  7. You're going to soon see the backlash that Islam and Muslims have well earned.

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  8. Numbers of under-18s accused of sexual offences against other children have increased by nearly nine per cent in a year. Figures collated by the NSPCC following a Freedom of Information request to police forces in England and Wales show that in 2013/14, 4,209 children were accused of sexual offences compared to 3,868 in 2012/13. That represents an increase of 8.8 per cent. Peter Wanless, chief executive of the NSPCC, said easily available online pornography appears to be a factor behind young people committing sexual offences. “We know that for many older children pornography is now part of life,” he said. “Easy access to hard core, degrading and often violent videos on the internet is warping young people’s views of what is normal or acceptable behaviour. “It is also feeding into ‘sexting’ where teenagers are creating and distributing their own videos and images that are illegal and have led to prison sentences.” Wanless added that for very young children who have been accused of offences, some as young as five, questions must be asked about the environment in which they are growing up. “It could be that they have seen sexual activity that they are just too young to understand and are copying what they’ve seen,” he added. The NSPCC said the data revealed that most victims knew their alleged abuser with some of the most common crimes being teenage boys abusing female acquaintances. Although most abusers were male there was a small proportion of female abusers as well as both male and female victims. Crimes included serious sexual assaults, rape, and obscene publication offences. Wanless said that recognising the warning signs early and taking swift action was essential as harmful sexual behaviour can be turned around if caught early. “These children are not beyond help,” he said. “If we act quickly and children receive therapy such as that provided by the NSPCC’s ‘Turn the Page’ service we can stop them becoming adult sex offenders. “And, most importantly, their victims need support to overcome what has happened to them. “Sexual offences, whether committed by another child or an adult, can have lifelong consequences.” Alan Wood, president of the Association of Directors of Children’s Services (ADCS) said some young people who sexually abuse others are themselves victims of abuse and services must work to break the cycle of victims becoming perpetrators of the future. “Other children may struggle to understand boundaries as a consequence of exposure to inappropriate material such as online pornography, violent films or computer games, or extreme literature,” he added. “ADCS fully supports a full public debate of the issues surrounding the safeguarding and protection of children in an increasingly digital world that exposures children to new risks that they would not have faced in previous generations and where adults and agencies, thankfully, are getting better at recognising the nature of abusive behaviour.” Recent research by Research in Practice at the Darlington Hall Trust on harmful sexual behaviours by children and young people highlighted the need for local authorities to develop a more robust, joined-up response on the issue.

    These Pakistanis have adopted the British values of grooming young children. They are the product of the British schooling with non-Muslim monolingual teachers. I have been doing Jihad in the field of education for the last 40 years so that each and every Muslim child should be in a state funded Muslim schools with bilingual Muslim teachers as role models during their developmental periods. I would like to see Muslim children developing Cultural, linguistic and spiritual identities so that they could keep themselves away from western barbarity of anti-social behaviour, binge drinking, drug addiction, teen age pregnancies and abortion and lot of other evils but people like you do not want to see Muslim children in Muslim schools in the name of integration. Now you have seen the result in the form of sexual grooming of young children which is a common occurrence in your culture.

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  9. Hey for crissake would you shaddup aleady?

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  10. Interesting we get all worried about Islamic terrorism yet the two biggest terror attacks in recent years, 9/11 and 7/7, were both false flags to drum up support for dubious middle East wars and usher in a surveillance state carried out by our own establishment. There is a mountain of hard evidence to support what I say as well just you won't hear it coming from the mainstream media. I'm not saying there aren't Islamic terrorists and terrorist acts I'm saying the two biggest alleged acts of Islamic terrorism were inside jobs and many millions of people share this view. The fact this isn't acknowledged by the state and establishment types be it the media or the police demanding more intrusive powers leaves me very sceptical of there intentions. Are there Muslims wanting to bomb the UK definitely and I have no qualms about them being dealt with appropriately. The thing is they aren't felt with appropriately they are left to fester while everyone else sees there rights and liberties eroded to protect us from these bogey men.

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  11. I'm italian, i resd your discussion.In my opinion in europe we are exported an extreme islam.A lot of new islamic cult are payd by saudi arabia or oman or by other rich but extreme country.In Kossovo a lot of girl are payd for dressing burka,that is not in this country traditon.In Italy we found imam from cecenia or other country killed by the war.But i have a lot of friends fro Marocco, Tunisia ecc.ecc.A lot of them don't like this new extreme vison of islam that is going to grow even in them country.If you notice,ISIS or etreme terrorism act alwais were there is the oil.Libia under Gheddaffi was a stable countri,like Irakm under Saddam or Siria.

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    1. This hysteria regarding terrorism is manufactured. Fear of the highly improbable presented as the likely results in an ill-informed, propagandised populace accepting greater intrusion by the state into personal lives.
      It's a con, and "deradicalisation" is an insidious act that cements "thought crime" as an increasing reality. Radicalism is essential for addressing the systemic failures of modern society. It is no coincidence that the ruling elites are gradually criminalising ideologies (not restricted to Islamism) that threaten the acceptability of the status quo. We are all being silenced. It is nearly impossible to independently verify claims of the scale of threat to Britain made by senior counter-terrorism officials, and mistrust among sections of the public remains high. There's an easy way to get rid of the threat; but I bet there isn't a single politician brave enough to do what is required. So we're left with deep unease on all sides and permanent crisis management. The worst of both worlds. How very modern.

      I thought there were between 200 and 300 fatal stabbings each year. I suppose they are motivated by non-terrorist action so not taken as seriously. I remember reading this summer about Hollie Gazzard, she went to the police on February 16 to warn them that security guard Asher Maslin had grabbed her round the throat and had threatened after she ended their relationship. Next day he stabbed her to death in public while she cut someone hair. They were probably too busy to help her because of all the terrorist activity.

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    2. Mr Iftikhar,i read somentingh in your site ad i have reach a conclusion:
      You don't know notingh about the european historiy:
      If you look at the our past is full of orrible thinks, like nazism, comunism, religion intollerance ecc. ecc.YOU CAN PRAY YOUR GID IN EVERY EUROPEAN CONTRY,if i go in saudi arabia with bible you are taken in jail.
      Do you know wath german, when were nazist, were able to do?You live in a democracy without knowing whot a democracy is:what is appening?Did you see France with Le Pen going at 20 %,or other country were are rising right party?
      What i wish to say is that nothing is forever, and if came another Hitler,arabs will be in serious problem.Take a book of history,read whot is nazism and comunism or fascism.If an islamic wish live in europe should accept european low and acting for democracy.Low is over religion, and more your religion is foreing heare.
      And don't start again to speack with colonialism, that in the border of mediterranean sea sometimes we dominate an sometimes we wos dominated by arabian.

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  12. Drive a bin wagon down as fast as you can then reverse back up putting the bastards in the back . Street cleaning

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  13. Iftikhar,i'm scared about people like himself,and i hope never meet people like him in my life

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  14. When even the BBC starts reporting on it, its already too late... after the usual idyllic intro, the real report starts at minute 13:30 "It's time to tell the other side of the Marseille story, the story of the city that is dirty, violent and poor": "Marseille: France's Muslim City" http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00sdr86

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  15. MORE PEOPLE IN BRITAIN CONVERT TO ISLAM !
    Many who convert face immense challenges with loss of family and friends, adapting to new environments, having to abandon family traditions that are against Islam and the loneliness that this can bring and many other factors that many Muslims born into the faith don’t necessarily need to deal with. With almost 2.7 million Muslims living in Britain, the number of converts increasing means more Islamic representation within the country.
    The number of Britons choosing to become Muslims has nearly doubled in the past decade, with one of the most comprehensive attempts to estimate how many people have embraced Islam, according to news source the Independent. While previous estimates placed the number of Muslim converts between 14,000 and 25,000 an inter-faith think tank estimates the real figures could be as high as 100,000 with nearly 5,000 converts each year nationally.
    A poll by Faith Matters, surveyed converts living in Britain and broke down what proportion of Muslim converts there were living in London. The researchers polled mosques with results showing. The number of Britons choosing Islam doubled in the past decade 1,400 conversions in the capital and when extrapolated this meant approximately 5,200 people converting to Islam each year – figures that were comparable with French and German survey research results. The report also noted how converts were portrayed by the media and noted that more than 62% of news articles made mention of converts and in particular made references to terrorism and extremism.
    Many who convert face immense challenges with loss of family and friends, adapting to new environments, having to abandon family traditions that are against Islam and the loneliness that this can bring and many other factors that many Muslims born into the faith don’t necessarily need to deal with. With almost 2.7 million Muslims living in Britain, the number of converts increasing means more Islamic representation within the country.
    IA
    http://www.londonschoolofislamics.org.uk

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  16. @ Joseph Meyer18 October 2014 at 18:05

    How would you classify the White slavery of the Khazars, & why the public ignorance of their acts?

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  17. But if you think of it. How did Islam conquer so much of the world...well it did not do so primarily through kindness and mere conversion. Muhammed fought 99 battles, that are recorded in the islamic history. As well, the muslim armies cut through the ancient Byzantine world like a hot knife through butter, where the Christian cities of Antioch, Alexandria, Damascus and Jerusalem- all Byzantine- were conquered...when the Byzantine empire had weakened after years of war and division. The classical Greek world, the sites of early Christianity were consummed with these Jihadis, who it is estimated have committed a genocide against Jews, Christians, Zoroastrians and even Hindus. I myself am a Christian, and if you look at the life- and foundation of the faith- at the teachings of Jesus Christ, these two faiths and foundations could'nt be more different, on every count. Jesus promoted pacifism, civil obediance, humility, even to love one's enemies. His disciples...11 apostles- were martyred and put to death! They spread the faith through displays of kindness, mercy, through the acts of the divine. One is strictly not to force it on anyone- and this was foolishly and wrongly allowed by st augustine the philosopher- however the Roman empire collapsed from inside, it decayed from corruption and injustice. But Muhammed for instance he ordered a jewish tribe to have its through slit in mecca, in a trench and was later poisoned by a woman in revenge for killing her husband. This is not divine material, not inspiring stuff. Did not Muhammed have an "angel" try to strangle him in a cave, and force him to "recite" to which he thought of throwing himself off a cliff. There is so much that one can discuss, but what needs to be discussed is the real history and thew cataloge of brutalites that have come from Muhammed's legacy and teachings...the muslim war machine, is histories fastest and most effective force of militarism, conquering so quickly so much of the old world...until after muhammed it even lay siege by sea to constantinople, and let us not forget the Ottoman barbarism, that took young Christian boys for slaves, the first born and turned them into soldiers, took many white women for the hareems of algiers and constantinople...where they becamed the dhimmis the slaves who paid the sultan's tax. Yes it is monstrous, but if you believe it is the way of God, then you are convinced, unquestionably that it is the fundamental truth....but why? Why must god, be a distant, unmerciful god, that is cruel, unforgiving, impersonal, unknowable, not a father to mankind, why? Everyone must have an open mind and examine the realness of such a reality and wonder how can it all be true? Because if it is not, then it is a grand deception and history's greatest war machine and bloodletter of mankind along with communism.

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